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Friday, September 14, 2012

The Social Interest of Social Impact Bonds


“We like our victims a certain way”

            This was the comment that Professor Stein left us with after our engaging discussion surrounding the potential benefits and drawbacks of social impact bonds. We ended the discussion on the note exploring if the potential benefits outweigh the potential risk, as people in the status quo need help now. However, big businesses “like their victims” to be complacent, meaning they want to be able to provide them with relief while simultaneously avoiding the stigma of their motives. We broadened this analysis but we also began exploring the significance of advocacy and methods of creating solidarity with the poor. Our analysis was great but I would like to first backtrack a little in order to bring more breath to some of the earlier arguments in the discussion as well as arguments that really framed our inquiry and my overall thoughts.

            Let us first discuss the root cause argument that we could have analyzed further throughout the discussion. In a broad sense, isolating root causes are beneficial because they allow us to explore potential reasons why negative events occur, find solutions for the base problem and prevent the future occurrence of this negative impact indefinitely. To be more specific, if people are consistently dyeing from the flu, we must isolate what the primary cause of the flu is in order to prevent future deaths indefinitely. However, the idea of social interest bonds seems to be prolonging the sickness by simply, as Joseph put it, “clearing the symptoms of the disease.” It amazes me how profit and short-term stability have become our end goal for societies toughest problems in contemporary America. If two people are cold and homeless, we see it fit to find them a shelter to stay in overnight and many feel the problem is solved. If someone has not eaten for days and we feed that person a great thanksgiving meal, we feel that this is enough to help alleviate their struggles. Hilfiker made this point clear that charity and non-profit work does not and can not substitute justice but does it not bridge the gap between the two? Does it not make justice that much closer and achievable for the vast majority when we build our assemblages and fight for what’s right? Even if people are self-interested in participating in these community-mobilized events, the lack of profit motive and fundamental desire to give outweighs the selfish act. These “bandages” are great in the short term but the overarching problem still exist or how to find a long-term solution to these issues. These charity organizations may not alleviate peoples suffering over long periods of time but at least a charity organization has not been co-opted by this profit incentive.

            Charity therefore differs from social impact bonds greatly. Social impact bonds are the epitome of this co-option in my opinion.  Its just another way for business to make profit off of displaced and underprivileged people who have most likely already encountered hardship within our system. Lets take a second to imagine a world where you have to pay in order to eat and survive, medication and healthcare is not universal and the betterment of communities relies on the government decisions and financial interest. Sound familiar? Sally made the great point that health care and the progression of medicine has already become economically optimized. She claims “if they [doctors] found a solution for cancer tomorrow, pharmaceuticals would go out of business” as they would not be able to profit off of people spending money to survive with cancer day to day. This is a product of our greed but lets get back to the issue at hand because social impact bonds supercharge this greed initiative. Put the idea of capital gain in context of prison re-entry. The government and their partners will fund programs for convicted criminals so long as recidivism rates drop next year. Lets assume that recidivism rates stands still or even go up… what now? Do we stop funding the programs and leave former prisoners vulnerable to re-entry? The answer in the context of these bonds is yes.

            Now, lets tackle the opposing argument, as it deserves to have some light shed on its credibility. David firmly believed that this short-term interest heavily outweighs potential long-term drawbacks. He claimed that we can isolate many reasons why the program is potentially hazardous, but at least something will get done. In retrospect it is hard to disagree with this statement but I still have to question the motive behind these bonds. If recidivism mattered to Goldman Sachs why do they have to pursue solvency through the lens of capital gain? What is the difference between distributing ten million dollars to a multiplicity of not for profit organizations aiming to lower recidivism rates and find a solution to the problem? Or why, as Niko pointed out, can’t the money simply be donated? The answer is in the question: NOT FOR PROFIT. If we continue to allow money motives to govern our decision-making, the notion of community turns on its head and money continues to rule us until the gap between the rich and the poor is absolute. Do not misunderstand my skeptiscm for inaction because I too believe that something needs to be done. But when thinking of these bonds in great detail we must wonder, and many of us have started to do so already, if people would actually be worse off in the long term even though they are obtaining short-term relief.

            Now that I have summarized most of our class discussion I would like to discuss my preferred solution. Sylvie’s articulation about Framer’s idea of “preferential treatment for the poor” is the best model for this type of conflict. Framer initially wants to explores methods of creating practical ideas in solidarity with poorer people so that they do not get misplaced in the decision making process, which is something that happens too often. Framer’s ideals have been practiced on a minute scale without our even notice. This solidarity has actually entrenched itself in the mission statements of most not for profit organizations. Ironically enough this includes the organizations we currently intern with and have researched. For example, CASES aims to create solidarity between the workers and the youth offenders in order to prevent their deeper entrenchment into the justice system; Esperanza aims to utilize research and illuminate trends in drop out rates in order to create solidarity between struggling adolescents and the staff who want to help them; HSI attempts to create solidarity between recently homeless individuals and case workers in order to prevent them from reverting back to homelessness and getting lost in the system. The list goes on and remains true through each organization. These organizations are at the forefront of solidarity and yet these social impact bonds stand to eliminate their cause because government would be able to allocate their funds into businesses rather than administering grants to community based institutions. Under the ideology of social impact bonds, the value of poor people, troubled youth and even formerly incarcerated individuals in society starts and stops at their economic stability.

I would like to now open this for discussion.

1         1)   If you believe that the long-term benefits and stability of the disadvantaged matters, than what can we do to assist that group. As future leaders, how do we make a systemic impact in a world where non-profits begin disappearing or where community activism is co-opted by business and government? Where do we find our voice?

2        2)   If you believe that the short-term goals outweigh the long-term interest as a few of us have articulated, than how do you remedy the potential dangers that our colleagues and myself have mentioned? What does the world look like post-social impact bond in your opinion? Why exactly does the “now” outweigh the “then” and do you believe that our voices do in fact become misplaced? Where is the human element in this solution?

3       3)   For all, what is the best approach to societies toughest problems? Is it the integrated model that Niko and Joseph defended or do we need more advocacy and hardcore solutions as Sally and I briefly mentioned?

Ultimately, the final question is this: How do we successfully transfer the power of decision-making and political know-how into the hands of the underprivileged?

16 comments:

Alisse Waterston said...

Andre, What a WOW post. Your synthesis of our class discussion, the way you teased out some of the key implications of the approaches we reviewed, the questions and challenges you pose. You wrote a powerful post, and I can't wait to hear what folks have to say.... Verons???

Unknown said...

Nice refresher and summary, Andre. I feel like we could just spend the whole semester discussing social impact bonds and approaches to social justice, but, alas..

To answer your questions:

1) We find our voice through activism. Through research. Through education. Through public discussion. Non-profits alone, though, will struggle to make the vital systemic changes we all want. Deep rooted issues, as Hilfiker opines, require more than charity. Building off the idea of an integrated approach-- while tapping into our inner Herb Sturz's to work within the system (even if we secretly don't like said system)-- is tantamount to the goal. But, there's also a mindset/ideological problem here. I don't think it's a stretch to say that non-profits and businesses have differing vested interests when it comes to social justice. Potentially add in government to the mix, and what kinds of relationships can we form to advance the cause of social justice? In theory, the integrated approach sounds good, but is it achievable in practice?

2) I do not think the short-term goals (i.e. charity) outweigh long-term ones (i.e. changing the nature of a system), but I certainly think short-term initiatives supplement future goals. For instance, yeah, soup kitchens are not "solving" the poverty and homeless epidemic, but that doesn't mean they should be taken away. In a business culture that can be so obsessed with the bottom line and profit, and with the gap between the "rich" and the "poor" always increasing, the impact of social bonds paints a grim future to me. I hate to think some people's actions are governed by greed, as it is in dissonance with my general view of humans...but social impact bonds make me question the motives of these individuals. May be harsh, but thinking long term, my current view leads me to believe that they're as much "social impact" bonds as they are social stratification bonds. Who knows, that may be a premature assessment; I struggle, however, to wrap my head around the fact that we need to throw around large sums of money for potential returns, in order to help our most disadvantaged members of society. Moreover, where will non-profits end up if these bonds become more popular? What role exactly will these businesses have in the investments? (the city will pick the initiative for now, but what else is controlled?) Are we going to be "competing" to help the indigent?

3) I think I alluded to this question in my previous responses, but I will touch on your last point: "How do we successfully transfer the power of decision-making and political know-how into the hands of the underprivileged?" That's a tough question. Professor Stein got me thinking when she mentioned the words "savior" and "empowerment." That definitely made me take a step back. Maybe the "solution" lies in working closely with the individuals whom we seek to assist. Is it via education? Community discussions? In conclusion, just to tie this into research, there is a fascinating method I learned about at my internship called Community Based Participatory Research (CBPR). Essentially, researchers and advocates step out of their ivory towers, train community members to collect and analyze data, seek their input along every step of the project. It's a total reciprocal learning relationship and experience.

Amara Umahi said...

Really, really great post, Andre. There's a lot of good stuff here to get too.

1) It’s really hard for me to imagine a world in which non-profits verge on eventual extinction, or a world where big business begins to totally encroach on the sphere of community activism. I feel like we live in that world already—businesses already play a large role in our political system, and they are comfortable bedfellows with our elected officials. It’s scary to think what kind of impact they’ve bore onto social programs, or how much such businesses have already obstructed the goals of social justice advocates. That being said, the only way to prevent our voice from being drowned out in a sea of corporatism (an exaggeration), is exactly what Joseph has said—through political activism. Through advocacy. In the same way that corporations have lobbyists working to influence the decisions of politicians, we must be there to work for justice, not profit. This means working through the system, as it is only through government that we can fight for the rights of the underprivileged. As stated in class, only government can confer rights—as leaders, we should be there to make sure those rights are indeed conferred.

However, we must dispense the kind of thinking that views corporations as mindless, greedy profit making machines. [It’s not black and white.’] Profit is not the only impetus for social advocacy (of course, with social impact bonds, it is high a possibility.) Regardless, is there is a possibility of working with the corporate sector to bring about social change? Thus, we must look for an integrated approach, an egalitarian-like cooperation between the public, private, and voluntary sectors for the cause of social justice. How we accomplish this is troubling…does it have to with human understanding? How can individuals in each sector connect with one another to create a WORKING system—can something Sturz-like be pulled off?

2) Again, black/white thinking hurts here. In my opinion, a “post-social impact bond” world would not differ wildly from the one we are in now. However, one thing that could be said with surety is that government would definitely begin to relinquish its responsibility to fund social programs, and greater influence from corporations over community activism would surely lead to an even greater stronger over government.

Re: short-term and long-term goals—again--again, black/white thinking hurts here too. I must stress that it is extremely important for us to seek out the root problems of the issues facing our communities. However, we cannot brush aside the short-term help received from things like charity or shelters. The problem comes when people see these things as permanent, all-end solutions to social issues. Beyond this, I don’t get what is wrong with short-term help for long-term goals. While individuals help on the outside by donating or volunteering, political activists work on the inside, dealing with the more meaty issues. Instead, what I think we should focus on is how to change the overwhelming, majority perception that donations and charities “work.”

3) I believe in an integrated approach, as I’ve stated before. Maybe it’s just the egalitarian in me saying it, but “can’t we all just get along”?
As for your final question, it’s difficult. I don’t feel like this question was adequately answered last class. The transfer of power clearly comes from the power holders—government officials, social activists, etc. Farmer states, “We may be leaders of this movement but must also be humble participants.” This makes me think—should we try to make the distinct concerns of the disenfranchised poor the direct center of our efforts for justice? Do we become vessels? Is the social justice movement already egalitarian, or is it enough? It’s still a difficult question to answer, and I’m eager to see how my classmates will respond.

Prof. Stein said...

What a terrific start to our blog.

Andre and Joseph each provide a comprehensive summary and critique of the domains we are investigating: charity (here’s a dollar, please distribute), social entrepreneurship (here’s two dollars; give me a t-shirt made by a poor person), social impact bonds (I’m betting three dollars; maybe I’ll make six, maybe not). Yes, I am being a bit facetious. I am exaggerating to make the point that, in these formulations, the group being “helped” plays a very secondary role, if any, in program design and execution. When Amara quotes Farmer, whose organization is called Partners in Health, I think she gets to the heart of the matter. Where there is no true partnership, there is little chance of growth and change. I learned a long time ago in psychoanalysis that it is simple not possible to be an expert-and certainly not the authority-on other people’s lives and problems. In the best of circumstances, perhaps I can be someone’s partner (respecting their authority and understanding my privilege) and together we can accomplish what neither one of us could do alone. Hopefully, they take something away that improves their circumstance long term and do not need my help anymore.

Given this framework, as others have pointed out, we do not have to completely dismiss alternative ways of problem solving. While it may be true that in a purely ideological universe, only grassroots activism and the redistribution of wealth would get to the root of many social problems, it is clear that none of us live at that address yet. If we can raise more money because Thurston Howell III gets a return on his investment or Suzy Sorority gets a t-shirt that says “I help the homeless”, I am not certain that we should dismiss that out of hand. Besides, raising the funding for programs in hold-your-nose ways does not necessarily mean that the programs themselves could not work in partnership with those it is trying to help. While programs can never bestow rights-only the government can do that-it does not mean that they do not have their uses, particularly in terms of training, education, and support. Even people with rights need those things.

If you want to hear about a real life and a real decision involving turning down charity in more dire circumstances than most can imagine, take a look at this article. It strongly reiterates all that we have been saying: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/16/opinion/sunday/for-indias-children-philanthropy-isnt-enough.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&emc=eta1.

Unknown said...

Great post, Andre. First, I want to say happy one-year anniversary to the “Occupy Wall St. Movement”, which is very entrenched in the ideas that Andre mentioned about big business and profit.

1) Dialogue and discourse. I believe that this is the first step in moving the right direction, especially when it comes to social justice. While there may be a powerful group of individuals who are holding the majority of the cards, their choices as to what card to play depends on the people watching. Sometimes they listen to whispers, and sometimes they listen to the more obvious shouts and screams. And typically, we are the bystanders watching. That is where our voice is. History has taught us, from the civil war to the civil rights movement, the discourse in the status quo is essential to change. Our voices, alone, may be just a faint whisper (although influential as they may be), when united, is a scream that will be heard no matter how much wall st. and the government want to ignore. In this sense, we can find our voice by having the conversation no one is having, or including the underprivileged in that conversation as well as inviting for others to join us.
2) I am someone who understands the importance of planning. If I live only for the now, than there is no way I can be ready for an emergency in the future. The hungry can be fed for a day, but how can we sustain a system where we are just feeding them? Will we feed them forever? The real question is not of a “how” but a “why”? Why are the hungry hungry? Why can’t they feed themselves, and why isn’t anything being done to fix the problem? Furthermore, just feeding the hungry perpetuates a system of continues oppression. The oppressor, in this case, is he/she who provides food. The hungry are at the whim of the provider, who may or may not have an agenda. But if the root cause is fixed, the power dynamic changes, and the future is up for grabs. The hungry are not hungry, and resources can be moved to other social justice issues, such as youth violence and victimization. I rather have a future where there a choices, and not one that is determined by the power dynamics of today.
3) Thank you for the shout-out Andre. I believe in the integrated approach, in two forms. One, there can be solutions for the now, while a plan for the future. Back to the analogy in class, we need to help patients with their illness, even if it is only the symptoms. At the same time, we must work toward finding a cure, because it is the right thing to do. Putting profit aside, which is what social impact bonds doesn’t want to do or will help do, it is our human responsibility to help fellow man. The second form would be incorporating a super supervised version of social impact bonds, with a cap on investment, and reduced profit, as well as zero involvement in the decision making process as to who receives the aid. Furthermore, no guarantee on a pay back, because of the fluctuating nature of the city budget. Non-profits would be encouraged to continue the work they do, and given much greater aid. Ideally, I wouldn’t support social impact bonds, but if it were necessary, heavy regulation would be needed.
4) The transfer of power – a question I think we will be asking for a very long time (if not forever). While I have hopes for equality, I don’t think we will ever be fully equal, because of our nature. I am not saying that we are evil, but we are not exempt from the rules of competitive organisms, we want to survive and thrive, and that means having some as underprivileged. What I believe is that this does not necessarily have to be a negative thing – but our current definition and reality is negative. A solution may be to constantly shift pockets of power, or to have exchanges between groups who can make decisions – but that is wishful thinking. I’m not confident in providing an answer, but I am sure my journey for an answer will be a successful one, but for now, the course we must take is shifting the discourse to include those who are under

Unknown said...

Hi Andre,

1) I believe that the long term benefits and stability of the disadvantage are crucial to establishing change and social justice. I believe that the best way to assist in finding solutions and bringing about important change is by integrating ourselves within the communities and people who can benefit the most from any change. In my opinion, when we try so hard to implement programs and changes without actually knowing how or when those changes will affect the people in need, we are not really getting to the heart of the problem, we are simply guessing at an answer. I believe it is important to speak to people and listen to the problems that brought them to their situation, whatever that situation may be. It is necessary to ask what will make a difference for them, how do they expect to achieve a difference or a change and why have they not been successful at achieving that change for themselves before? What is the impediment to achieving a better outcome? How can that impediment be worked through or used to their advantage? It is my belief that in order to achieve a workable solution, we need to be imbedded within the problem, in order to visualize the impact of our work on those who need it the most. I think our voices lye within the people we are willing to and want to help and within the communities that need change. Though I believe many government officials have good and great ideas that can be very beneficial and important to establishing change, it is my opinion that before we implement certain changes we must first analyze how those changes will impact the people we are trying to help instead of throwing or enforcing our solutions on them.
2) I do not believe that short term solutions are the answer to the social justice issues facing our society today. I do however understand the notion that at least something is being done, even if it is a short, is better than nothing at all. My concern with this type of solution, such as the “social impact bonds,” is that if the project fails, people will be left to fend for themselves and will basically in limbo, without clear cut solution or anywhere else to turn.
3) I believe the best approach to society’s toughest problems is the understanding that as human beings we all have the same basic rights. As David Hilfiker stated, “justice has to do with fairness, with what people deserve. It results from social structures that guarantee moral rights.” I sincerely believe that our moral responsibilities to each other as human beings must be included in our “social structure”, in our governmental offices and within our justice system. Just as we expect our legal rights and our liberties to be respected and afforded to us in a court of law, I believe we should be afforded the same respect and responsibilities in our social interactions and our dealing with all of our government offices, officials and institutions. I sincerely do not believe that our dignity and moral values can be respected if we are to become commodities that can be traded or set aside when we no longer produce monetary gains for certain individuals.
In answer to your last question, I believe that government has the responsibility and the power to ensure that people’s rights are respected and that everyone is afforded the same rights, the same respect and that we all have the same equal rights to all possible resources. It is the job and responsibility of the government to give power to its people and help ensure that everyone can benefit and knows how to utilize those powers and benefits, afforded to them.

Unknown said...

1. I agree with Amara, on the argument she made that nonprofits won’t go out of business, nonprofits are funded through both governments as well as corporations, if corporations really wanted to co-opt non-profits then they would simply stipulate the terms and conditions of what that money could be used for to advance their agenda. If you look at Safe Horizon they alone get $50,000 from Goldman Sachs as well as from numerous banks, where as HIS gets $20,000 to 25,000 from Banco Popular. These examples show that corporations may have a second motive for their involvement. I believe that in order to make systematic changes, we need to analyze the reason why corporations even decide to give in the first place. One suggestion is that they want to look good to the public in order to get public approval, or that they do it as a tax write off. If that is indeed the case then nonprofits will never be encroach completely by the private sectors. Also why not use the Herb Sturtz’s approach, it work with him dealing with politicians as well as businessmen. He was able to receive boatloads of money and support to create Vera we know today. We can find our voices through a new similar approach that Herb Sturtz sort out only this time we will have learn from past mistakes that others have made, in order to for the future movement (which includes political activism, advocacy groups, etc.) to be meticulously crafted.
2. There is a saying "When the going gets tough, the tough get going”. On Wikipedia the quote means “Those who act tough and proud will vacate a situation when it becomes difficult lest they be proven not as tough as they appear to be”. I believe that even if you may question the motives of why corporations do post social impact bonds instead of donations, people are still helped. Questioning their motives won’t change the fact that the loan will help disadvantaged children. Even if you were to consider that the loan wouldn’t work and that the results was they being left out to fend for themselves, my point is that it is better they received some help then no help at all. This situation isn’t as foreign as most people may be led to believe for example we are all college students who come for an education even though it may not be economically feasible for some of us. Some in turn take out loans from Citibank, Banco Popular, etc.; short-term interest is getting an education, potential long-term drawbacks, being shackled with debt for the rest of your life (exaggeration). My point of that example is that if someone with a $100,000 loan can find a way to erase their student debt, then there is a way to solve the drawbacks that Andre and Niko have stated. It is only when one rises to the challenge then that situations can be solved. In regards to Andre question of what does a post-social bond looks like, my answer is that nothing changes and instead it becomes an additional choice, which in turns means if non-profits feel strongly against it then they can just reject the offer. I don’t necessary believe that the now always outweigh the then it just depends on the situation. The situation determines what the right course of action may be.

3. I think I referred to this question in my previous responses, but I will answer the last part of your question. I believe that the power of decision making was always with the underprivileged but never fully utilized. They make the numbers for decisive change however they never utilized it. “If you don’t take advantage of opportunity someone else will” that really is the case. I believe that government like Amara stated “can fight for the rights of the underprivileged”. As stated in class, only government can confer rights. However I believe in order for the government to fully represent them. Individuals need to know how government can make changes which are through education so individuals need to learn their rights so that they can vote to make change.

Unknown said...

Hello Andre,

Excellent post! You have made some really good points highlighting our discussion arguments.

To answer your questions:
1)I definitely believe that long term benefits and stability for the population of disadvantaged individuals are essential to creating and implementing social justice. As you have briefly mentioned in your post, “isolating the root causes are beneficial because they allow us to explore potential reasons why negative events occur, find solutions for the base problem and prevent the future occurrence of this negative impact indefinitely.” That statement could not be more true. I believe that the best way to assist is through communication, education and integration. By communicating with these disadvantaged individuals and integrating, we are taking the time to listen to them, understand them and get an inside look at the struggles they endure. In doing so, we as advocates are better able to assist them because we know where they are coming from and what they truly need help with, as oppose to the “outside looking in” approach and assuming such and such solutions (without actually knowing) are viable. Additionally, I agree fully with Niko. Yes there are powerful individuals holding the power, but their choices are made according to the people watching. “We can find our voice by having the conversation no one is having.” Even though the government and businesses hold the power, the people are the ones they are serving. If enough people “understand” and speak their voice, it will eventually get through to the ones in power and hopefully, it will affect their ultimate decision making process. This extends to the idea of holding rallies or protesting. The message gets through eventually.

2)Though I understand the argument that short-term goals may outweigh long-term interests, I do not believe in this argument fully. It is great that something is being done, but regardless, the problem is only being handled temporarily which is still a drawback because it may even potentially harm the whole situation in the end making it worse. Another drawback of short term goals is that as time progresses, we will be put with the responsibility of thinking of more methods of handling the problem, which is not only time consuming, but it furthers the importance of the root cause argument. By finding the central problem, we are able to center on that issue, think of a solution. After the solution is implemented and it is proven effective, we are able to move on and progress.

3)I believe that the best approach is the Integrated Model. Not only are we serving the community involved, we are also taking the time to understand and help them in the long run because we are seeing them as equal to ourselves, with the same rights. As Minerva points out, “As human beings, we all have the same basic rights.”

4)In successfully transferring the power of decision making to the underprivileged, I strongly believe that the government has the power, with the influence of the public. The power is in the hands of the government, as they are the ultimate decision making body. However, with enough individuals expressing their opinions and the change that they want, I do feel that that will ultimately sway the decision of the government and give the community what they want, to a certain extent.

Professor Reitz said...

Methinks I missed a great class! Once again, you guys have started the blog on a very high level thanks to Andre's thoughtful post. As many of you suggest, these are issues that you will continue to sort through this year and beyond. One idea lurking in between the lines of your blog discussion is the human impulse to help. One can agree entirely with the need for long-term approaches and structural change, but on any given day we are people faced with hungry neighbors, the repercussions of environmental disaster, struggling families who need clothes for job interviews or back-to-school clothes for their kids. And we have to live with ourselves (I am not the kind of person who can say that I won't bring food to a pantry because I understand that charity gets in the way of social justice. It may be true, but I know myself and I'm not going to drive all my groceries home past my food bank.) So we are talking not only about integrating solutions in society, but also finding ways to integrate our many selves in their varying responses to these situations.
A small example of both/and: took my son's youth group to New Orleans last fall to learn about the lingering impact of Katrina and to paint some porches in the 9th ward. Talk about putting a bandage on an axe wound. Still, it is my hope that while it was "charity" happening that weekend, those kids began the process of thinking about why what happened there did, which, ultimately, can only be answered by thinking about structural racism and poverty.

Alisse Waterston said...

You Verons have covered such an amazing range of material and raised so many interesting issues. Instead of engaging the specifics of what you have already covered, I’d like to throw out a couple of questions (not necessarily to respond in the blog but as food for further thought):

Question 1: Although some of you wrote about how we need multiple approaches and that things aren’t always so black and white in terms of solutions (charity vs. rights, advocacy, resistance, etc.), I wonder, is there a qualitative difference between charity as voluntary giving and the social impact bond approach?

Question 2: This question also relates to the Goldman Sachs involvement/”social impact bonds.” Considering everyone’s stated concerns about what might happen if this very powerful, private institution mixes profit making with social services, and attaches private interests with programs that serve a vulnerable population, how do we register that concern and get heard in the public sphere? In other words, is this already a done deal and something about which the citizenry has had no say? And if that is the case, how will Goldman Sachs be held accountable for their role in what unfolds?

Question 3: Several folks mentioned and/or wrote about “the root” of social problems. What is “the root” or what are the “roots” of these problems? And how do you know what the roots are?

Question 4: Several folks mentioned “band-aid” remedies that don’t deal with the roots of the problem. But if someone is dying of a treatable disease and medical treatment can literally cure them, is that a band-aid remedy? Don’t some “band-aid” remedies mean life or death for individuals? How far does the metaphor go? In what specific ways is the metaphor true?
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Unknown said...

This was a very thoughtful and engaging question with plenty of analysis. Nice work Andre!
1) The key ingredient to showing solidarity with disadvantages groups is, simply put, empower locally. The individuals working in many agencies that provide victims services are not directly affected by the issues they are looking to address. This is not to suggest that these individuals do not have a right or cannot assist; however, these individuals lack expression and struggle, in turn limiting their imaginations and conceptions of issues. In some ways, this example mirrors that of the pathology of white privilege. Whites should acknowledge the privilege, allowing people of color to take the lead role in solving issues concerning racism. Finding our voice depends on not taking money from corporations or organizations with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. Throughout history, concessions by politicians have been made to co-opt movements and to absorb revolutionary forces. Unfortunately, many of the current corporate alliances with non-profits serve as an attempt to absorb criticisms. For example, Safe Horizon’s dependence on the money for Goldman, Sachs & Co. prevents them from critiquing or calling out certain unethical practices. This example reoccurs throughout politics. For these reasons, it is vital to keep businesses away from non-profits. Ideally, government does have a role to create a dialogue between the non-profits and people. All in all, we should be empowering the people to take control of these issues not just the government.
2) As Amara stated, black and white thinking hurts the discussion. The prison industrial system—especially in New York State—highlight the risk of private companies and their influence on social goals, such as reducing crime and ways to approach it. As many other have pointed out, short-term solutions should not be taken away or actively discouraged.
3) As Andre highlighted, I believe more hardcore solutions and radical approaches—which means targeting the root cause—need to be championed. That being said, there are no one-size-fits-all models. Each situation and problems depends on local factors and the views and experiences of those directly affected. We need to find a way in which government can create dialogue and encourage public discourse—not whether Mitt Romney tied his dog to a car or whether President Obama is a secret Muslim because his father is from Kenya.
4) Again, a way to answer this question hinges on whether or not corporations are involved with non-profits. As I mentioned in my response for question one, it is for those with the power to relinquish back to the people and empower them. In other words, the power dynamics in society need to be altered through advocacy and re-imagining a world in which politics is not about being someone, but, rather to do something.

Unknown said...

When the class discussion shifted its focus to whether there is deficient character that is shared by almost all social justice advocacies, I proceed by stressing an importance approach that is often missing—the empowerment those underrepresented populations. After hearing my viewpoint, Prof. Waterston immediately posed several questions in response to my stance: “what does it mean by empowering the poor; what kind of power are we referring to; and how can we ever achieve such vision?” Prof. Waterston’s challenging questions not only caught me off guard but also dragged me out of my comfort zone—the liberal ivory tower— and back to the hurtful reality. The reality hurts. The question remains, how could we, ever, able to empower those “socially invisible” populations if the world around us is very comfortable with overlooking those who are struggling at the bottom of the social ladder?

If we want to, it would cost us nearly no effort to notice that, since antiquity, the ones who have significant influence over political policies are very often the same groups of folks who enjoy well-off financial and social status. This universal phenomenon indicates the inalienable correlation between political influence and living status. Unfortunately, the road to establishing political dominance is both challenging and comparative, and many social justice advocates’ moderate approach to political matters leaves them little chance to stand out in such throat-cutting atmosphere. Therefore, most of the not-for-profit organizations should readjust their apolitical stance and actively campaign to shape public policies.

Although I would not undermine the social impact bound’s potential to produce visible short-term results, my suspicion of the principal motive behind those large financial institutions’ choice to partake in social service programs exceed my faith in the likelihood of their long-term and positive impact on social justice advocacy. In my view, social impact bound is merely another artful means for the elite groups to extend its influence in government subsidized programs, and thus reinforce their firm control over the destiny of the poor and disadvantaged. To prevent such situation from taking place, social service advocacies must take the initiative to expand their influence political sphere and significantly alter the poor’s underrepresented political status. Labor unions achievements would serve as a representative example of the benefits that can be attained through political activism.

Alisse Waterston said...

I keep coming back to read more of your interesting and impassioned comments! I'm beginning to wonder how you (you being all of you Verons!) would "read" the book "Some Kind of Genius" now that we've had these discussions over the past several weeks. Would your view of the author's portrait of Sturz be different (not necessarily your view of Sturz but your view of the way the author portrayed him). I wonder how you would answer the questions we gave you in the original assignment. Would your responses be different, and if so, in what ways? Again I'm not suggesting you have to answer these questions here on the blog, but it might be interesting for you to go back to the original questions we asked in the assignment and ask yourself these questions....

Unknown said...

Great post Andre, lots to think about. I apologize for posting so late.

The idea floating around in my head is this. Do we have to choose between short and long term goals? Can we not accept charity, donations, and social impact bonds while still searching for the solution to the underlying issues? It’s a fact that the wealthy will always want to achieve greater wealth and that non profits will need funding. I’m not denying that there may be repercussions to the social impact bonds but why turn down something that could prove useful? The way that I see it is that these bonds will allow a multitude of different programs to receive the funding that is required to attempt to make a difference. If they fail then they fail because of the method of the program used was not good enough, not because of where the funding came from. Similarly a successful program is just that, a success. Everyone wins, the benefactors get a small profit, the project can be replicated, and most important the people who need aid will get it. Without sufficient funding these programs will cease to exist, I know that at CEO there have been cutbacks over the past year and that has had a direct result on the participants. I don’t know if we can completely separate the “now” and “then”, one affects the other.

As for the transfer of power I feel as if the people with the power must help the underprivileged realize that they too can have the power. During class I was thinking about how I could apply this concept to my internship at CEO, and I think that a common misconception among our participants, and probably the general public, is that CEO finds the formerly incarcerated jobs. But this isn’t true, CEO works both in groups and one on one with participants to teach them skills needed for the workforce. In my eyes knowledge is power. Obviously this insight is limited to CEO. Another issue with the transfer of power is that the people in power have to be willing and accepting to giving up or at the very least acknowledging the power once it has been passed. I believe through education and acceptance the underprivileged can gain power.

Again sorry for the tardiness.

Unknown said...

Professor Waterston, in regards to your third question, I am not so sure. It is something I think about a lot. I guess it's easier to know what's not the roots, though. For example, soup kitchens are not the panacea for poverty and homelessness. It's deeper than that.

I think a good way to start looking for these "roots" is by taking to the field and working with the people. What are the structural foundations and roots of poverty? of racism? of mass incarceration? Are there many roots...and roots off of roots? Do we need to dig from the top before we reach the deepest roots?



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